So, Dan Savage wrote about something that was on my mind in the Haggard case (the pastor who’d been hitting it with a male prostitute, and snorting meth to boot). Prostitutes generally do not kiss and tell. It’s bad for business.
I have very mixed feelings about this particular case. The prostitute violated an expectation of confidence. The john sooooo had it coming.
What are your thoughts?
PS. Yay on the election.
The whore knew that letting Haggard stay in power wouldn be worse. Speaking out was the right thing to do. It is the equivalent of a physician or cleric breaking confidentiality in order to prevent harm to oneself or others.
I suspect the hope that he’d make a killing off exclusive interviews and a possible book deal probably motivated him to spill the beans. I suppose it’s possible some shred of moral outrage could have been involved, but I’m highly cynical by nature.
sure most pro’s are discreet and it’s expected
but in this case it was needed
a similar case i agree with is a female pro outing a married man that
preaches/teaches that adultry is hellfire and shaming others for it
tit for tat
The prostitute violated an expectation of confidence.
You have got to be kidding. In a regulated world where prostitutes has attorney/client type privilege maybe, but we don’t live in that world. Would you have felt the same if Haggard had been straight and working to lock up prostitutes and then caught with his pants down with one, then he’d be just as legitimate a target and expect no discretion.
Apart from schadenfreude, at the end of the day, I don’t think it matters much, sure the Right lost a voice, but all it did was give a Haggard an “I have sinned against you!” moment and Haggard’s congregation is still convinced that being gay is sexually immoral. Those people are in a gradually-shrinking minority, though, so that’s something. Maybe in a few decades, everyone can admit to same-sex attraction without having to wrestle with it all their lives.
Prostitues shouldn’t kiss and tell, but pastors shouldn’t preach while being willfully guilty of the sin they publicly condemn…..
And I would imagine that the world holds the honor of a holy man higher than that of a male prostitue.
prostitution is illegal and otherwise unregulated so the dude had no right whatsoever to expect confidentiality. it is true that kissing & telling will lose a prostitute “business”, but if you do something to cross your prostitute you should expect negative repercussions.
What is this expectation of confidence you speak of? Does such a thing really exist? 🙂 There are a few situations where our laws require it (i.e. lawyer and doctors), but in any other situation I’d say that it’s something that last as long as it is mutually beneficial to both parties.
well, if a prostitute were with someone who was campaigning for harsher penalties for prostitution it becomes a question of self preservation and their own best interests. in this case its pretty similar i feel.
If you were a cop who gambled in an illegal big-money card game every tuesday night, it’d be hella immoral for any of your card playin’ buddies to rat you out to your boss or the public.
If you went on a self-inspired crusade to bust up illegal gaming, and then your card playing buddies went public and said you’re a hypocrite, I can’t see that as wrong.
The first is immoral because it makes you a hypocrite? The second is immoral because the crusader is a hypocrite?
Huh, I think you take hypocracy much more seriously than I do.
I view the sin of Hagard as all the hate-mongering and fear-selling he did, and also the building of a family under false pretenses. The hypocracy, by comparison is small potatoes in my book.
I belong to the mangement school of ‘lead by doing’. Hypocracy doesn’t sit really well with me. If he believed in his cause, the hate-mongering isn’t a sin; it’s a means to the just end.
He obviously had, ah, little belief in his cause.
If it’s just an expectation, then there’s no “violation”; as you say, it’s just bad business.
Talking prostitute I think is a transgression, but I can’t help contextualizing it into a minor one. I read a healthy intent into the action (accurate or not).
The transgressions of the preacher are varied and to my mind serious.
So, maybe give the hustler a spanking, give the preacher a crown of thorns.