Finished it a couple of weeks ago. Liked it over all, especially after filtering out the more offensive values of the author (women are great as sex toys, especially intelligent, determined ones being the one that gets the most air time.)
But, as I’ve commented a few times, there was a passage (or two) in it such that when I first ran across I put the book down and didn’t look at it again for years. Basically, they’re condescending, “oh those poor muddled faggots, aren’t they pitiful” parentheticals. Two of em to be precise. (I know, the feminists _should_ be saying ‘cry me a river’ here, and the feminist inside me is. But it still bit.)
Reproduced for those who claimed they were not there, here you go, bold-ing my own:
The third morning after the system was installed, Jill brought a letter, category “G” to Jubal. [Category ‘G’ being “Propositions of marriage and propositions less formal”] The ladies and other females (plus misguided males) who supplied this category usually included pictures alleged to be of themselves; some left little to the imagination.
It’s harmless enough. A parenthetical reference that gave me long pause when first I read it in my early teens. But it’s unnecessary. It’s thrown in there for no other purpose than to say a) I admit this exists and b) I condemn it. Probably counted as cosmopolitan for the time.
She discussed it with Mike–but Mike could not understand why Jill had ever minded being looked at. He understood not wishing to be touched; Mike avoided shaking hands, he wanted to be touched only by water brothers. (Jill wasn’t sure how far this went; she had explained homosexuality, after Mike had read about it and failed to grok–and had given him rules for avoiding passes; she knew that Mike, pretty as he was, would attract such. He had followed her advice and made his face more masculine, instead of the androgynous beauty he had had. But Jill was not sure he would refuse a pass, say, from Duke–fortunately, Mike’s water brothers were decidedly masculine, just as his others were very female women. Jill suspected that Mike would grok a “wrongness” in the poor inbetweeners anyhow. They would never be offered water.)
Ignoring the fact that the parenthetical is larger than the rest of the paragraph… I’m pretty sure this is where I just stopped reading my first time through. The stereotyping grated on me from the get go. Throw on top of it the “wrongness” and “inbetweeners”, and I was thoroughly distressed by reading this passage. And it still grates.
A few years before I read stranger in a strange land for the first time, I read lord foul’s bane. I asked my older sister what she thought of the latter, and she was resoundingly not interested in the book. Very early on there is a rape scene in it. Knowing as little as I did about sex at the time, all I got out of the scene was that the main character was on a power trip, and did something violent the innocent young female character which gave him great satisfaction, oh, and that there was blood involved. I didn’t really even get the concept of rape, and wondered why my sister had let this stop her from reading a book that was otherwise interesting. Dark, depressing, repetitive, but somehow, to me, at the time, interesting. Never really connected that with my own reaction to SiaSL until now. Hmmm.
As I said, I write this in part because I have had two people, both of whom I admire greatly, inform me that stranger in a strange land was totally gay neutral (one actually said it was gay positive). These are the only moments when anything explicitly homosexual is discussed. (There is a later scene where one man is suddenly divested of clothing in the presence of another nude male, but I choose to interpret that scene in light of the parentheticals, and see nothing supportive of homosexuality in it)
They are, however, two parentheticals out of an entire book (and a rather lengthy one at that), so it’s trivial compared to the offense against the independent female population. And the book has literary significance.
The themes, plot structure, and some of the ideas are seminal and classic. It’s not hard to connect this book to so many other pieces of sci-fi and fantasy, the matrix, piers anthony, the xenogenesis series, and ET, just to name a few. It tells an engaging story, and has likeable characters, all 4 of them (Heinlein’s self-idealization, Heinlein’s idealization of youth, Heinlein’s idealization of woman, and Heinlein’s idea of everyone else).