{"id":1417,"date":"2005-08-04T00:03:00","date_gmt":"2005-08-04T05:03:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/cheerfulchaotic.crazycrew.org\/?p=1417"},"modified":"2005-08-04T00:03:00","modified_gmt":"2005-08-04T05:03:00","slug":"current-status-on-the-separation-of-church-state","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/cheerfulchaotic.crazycrew.org\/?p=1417","title":{"rendered":"current status on the separation of church &#038; state"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Apparently, Bush has <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2005\/08\/03\/politics\/03bush.html\">declared<\/a> his support for teaching religious psuedoscience, in particular,  <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Intelligent_design\">intelligent design<\/a>, in public schools.  Additionally, we the American taxpayer are funding <a href=\"http:\/\/www.newsday.com\/news\/nationworld\/nation\/wire\/sns-ap-bible-study,0,5147964.story?coll=sns-ap-nation-headlines\">fundamentalist indoctrination electives<\/a> in our public schools (though that is generally paid through local property tax, so not so much _our_ money, but still violating the first amendment like a cheap whore on roofies in a back alley in thailand).<\/p>\n<p>I occasionally feel the urge to throw Bible bits back in the face of fundamentalists.  Particularly Jesus&#8217;s words.  Ask &#8217;em how they think Jesus would have felt about taking away from the poor to give to the rich.  Ask them what he said about proclaiming one&#8217;s faith at high volume, or on the street corners.  Perform a bit of religious Judo.  Because, fundamentally, I view religion as an arbitrary, ad hoc, internally inconsistent set of explanations for the world which put adherence to doctrine above perceived reality.  Basically all religions fall into that categorization for me.  Religion also reminds me of the practice of saying what you believe then claiming it&#8217;s your religion, regardless of how you came to believe whatever you came to believe, see also north African female genital mutilation.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve been bitten in the ass by this attitude of mine from time to time.  Backed myself into a corner, whatever.  Using tools I don&#8217;t believe in to convince people who do believe in them that they&#8217;re wrong seems pretty dumb to me.  And yet, how else to get through?  I&#8217;ve played this game with a Wiccan or two in my time as well as with Fundies.  (The Wiccan was trying to say that the 3-fold rule made it okay and safe for him to engage in acts of revenge, he dismissed me as &#8216;not even a broomrider&#8217; when I started criticizing his actions based on my understanding of it, under which he was smoking crack.  Small loss, in retrospect).  <\/p>\n<p><lj user=01100001> recently <a href=\"http:\/\/www.livejournal.com\/users\/01100001\/76206.html\">posted<\/a> a copy of an <a href=\"http:\/\/transmet.org\/aj\/misc\/ChristianParadox.pdf\">essay<\/a> on the subject of misapplying christianity in the realm of politics.  Not that this is new, Crusades anyone?<\/p>\n<p>So, what are your thoughts on atheists (or adamant agnostics) talking bible with theists?  And, for that matter, how should any person deal with whackjobs of other religious persuasions in discussing matters of state?  Particularly when the whackjobs can&#8217;t even keep their own religion straight?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Apparently, Bush has declared his support for teaching religious psuedoscience, in particular, intelligent design, in public schools. Additionally, we the American taxpayer are funding fundamentalist indoctrination electives in our public schools (though that is generally paid through local property tax, so not so much _our_ money, but still violating the first amendment like a cheap &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/cheerfulchaotic.crazycrew.org\/?p=1417\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;current status on the separation of church &#038; state&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1417","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/cheerfulchaotic.crazycrew.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1417","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/cheerfulchaotic.crazycrew.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/cheerfulchaotic.crazycrew.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/cheerfulchaotic.crazycrew.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/cheerfulchaotic.crazycrew.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1417"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/cheerfulchaotic.crazycrew.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1417\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/cheerfulchaotic.crazycrew.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1417"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/cheerfulchaotic.crazycrew.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1417"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/cheerfulchaotic.crazycrew.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1417"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}