{"id":1311,"date":"2005-05-20T15:34:00","date_gmt":"2005-05-20T20:34:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/cheerfulchaotic.crazycrew.org\/?p=1311"},"modified":"2005-05-20T15:34:00","modified_gmt":"2005-05-20T20:34:00","slug":"religion-and-science","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/cheerfulchaotic.crazycrew.org\/?p=1311","title":{"rendered":"Religion and Science"},"content":{"rendered":"

I was having an im conversation with earlier today. After much discussion of WoW, both last night’s session with him, , and in which we determined that a seperate lj group to arrange things might not be a bad idea, we got on the subject of politics, specifically his, and how they might have changed since last we spoke. He still identifies with the label of “a conservative conservative” and libertarian, but not Libertarian. He says his belief in universal health care, gay rights, and his extreme distaste for religion flow logically from this. <\/p>\n

And I, the unabashed liberal, proceeded to defend religion as an attempt to make sense of the world that predates science, and provides answers (of unverifiable quality) that science is incapable of providing, for instance, where the world comes from. Both are sensemaking social constructs. Both have their own, usually separate, institutions and communities. And, for that matter, both types of community and institution have done bad things (the inquisition and skinner boxes\/molgrim experiments) and both have done good things (public service including education, health care, and housing, granted all with a religious slant, and say, penicilin and the internal combustion engine).<\/p>\n

I’ll summarize andrew’s side with a few quotes that I’m taking the liberty of reposting (and will edit if you want me to, Andrew).<\/strike> Here is his view when he’s had the time to carefully compose his thoughts, I’ll be more careful about reposting im conversations in the future, mi amigo.<\/p>\n

\nReligion had its purpose, gave society the initial well being, be good to your neighbor laws, but it is time for us to find a new way to be moral and ethical, without relying upon religion to justify it.<\/p>\n

Reason\/science should supply what we need in this regard.<\/p>\n

In response to the question if science can answer the origins of the universe and if there is an all powerful being:<\/p>\n

Not currently, but those questions aren’t worth asking if youve thought about them enough (when compared to more relevant, pragmatic questions such as social issues and foreign policy in which religion plays a large role, and in my view most often negative) religion can’t explain them either, not the way youre asking science to explain it, with the burden of proof.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

And, so, gentle readers, I ask you to share your take on religion, science, and their interrelations.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

I was having an im conversation with earlier today. After much discussion of WoW, both last night’s session with him, , and in which we determined that a seperate lj group to arrange things might not be a bad idea, we got on the subject of politics, specifically his, and how they might have changed … Continue reading “Religion and Science”<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1311","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/cheerfulchaotic.crazycrew.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1311","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/cheerfulchaotic.crazycrew.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/cheerfulchaotic.crazycrew.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/cheerfulchaotic.crazycrew.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/cheerfulchaotic.crazycrew.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1311"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/cheerfulchaotic.crazycrew.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1311\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/cheerfulchaotic.crazycrew.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1311"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/cheerfulchaotic.crazycrew.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1311"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/cheerfulchaotic.crazycrew.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1311"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}